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Stary 17-06-2009, 06:54   #1
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Witajcie!
Uruchomiłem swoją galaktykę w końcu. 1.9 TDI AUY Tiptronic AG5 2002 rok.
Samochodem się bardzo fajnie jeździe i wygodnie.
Odczuwaj wszak jeden dyskomfort:
Samochód jest słaby. Kopci. W garażu jak zapaliłem go to myślałem że "zejdę". Smród niesamowity, jakby przepalony olej.
Na drodze muł bagienny.
Domyślam się 2 rzeczy. Turbinka i wtryski.
Powiedzcie mi jak mogę to zdiagnozować? Mam Vag-coma i Polskiego VAGA.
Muszę się szybko z tym uporać bo za 2 tygodnie jadę na wczasy.
To mój 12 samochód a pierwszy Diesel więc się mi nie dziwcie że się na klekocie nie znam.


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Stary 17-06-2009, 08:35   #2
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Turbo Vagiem ciężko zdiagnozować,jakie masz objawy?Jak turbo padnięte to max ok.120km/h i wcale go nie słychać,wtryski na VAGu niby można podczas jazdy zbadać.A filtr paliwa i powietrza czysty?Ja nie zmieniałem paliwowego to był wolniejszy i głośniejszy,zmieniłem tylko jego i jak nowe autko!Sprawdź to najpierw,najtańszy koszt...pozdro i powodzenia
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Stary 17-06-2009, 10:28   #3
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Filtr powietrza czysty aż miło.
Chyba turbo nawala ale jak to sprawdzić ?
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Stary 17-06-2009, 11:13   #4
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A filtr paliwa?On jest ważniejszy od filtra powietrza jeżeli chodzi o prace i osiągi silnika.Turbo najpierw na "słuch" i odczucia z jazdy.Tak jak pisałęm,jak nie słychać gwizdania u V-max jakies 120 to na bank turbina.
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Posprawdzaj połączenia od filtra powietrza -> turbosprężarka -> intercooler -> zawór egr.
Następnie podłącz vag-coma, co i jak pod tym linkiem [Tylko zarejestrowani użytkownicy widzą linki. ]
sprawdź błędy [Fault Codes - 02], następnie wejdź w sterownik silnika 01 - Engine, następnie w pozycję [Meas Blocks - 08] i ustaw grupy 013, 023, 018. Napisz jakie masz pomiary.
Te bloki pokażą trochę informacji o wtryskach. Turbina jak padną uszczelnienia całkowicie to możesz mieć problem z zgaszeniem autka. Ubywa oleju? Co miałeś robione z autkiem?
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Tak jak kolega wyżeja napisał,sprawdź zawór EGR i szczelność intercoolera.
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czy miałem coś robione ? jasne:
Wymieniłem silnik i skrzynie.
Na tamtym silniku tez był słaby a osprzęt został.
Samochód pali na dotyk.
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gdyby nie kopcenie to powiedziałbym przepływka.....
jak możesz z kimś się podmienić na przeplywkę.... na testy np od passat'a
przepływki generalnie dużo się nie różnią od siebie podstawowa różnica to układ [kształt "sitek" grzałka... inaczej element grzejny jest ten sam....
ale to kopcenia.......
podłącz VAG powinien pokazać jakieś błędy [vag błędów przepływki nie pokaże, chyba że odłączonej albo uszkodzonej- nie zużytej]
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W silniku dwa błędy:
- 17 964
- 18 057

Logi:

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Domyślnie Odp: Brak mocy i kopci

Jak dla mnie wtryski parametry mają w normie.
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"17964 - elektrozawór N75, ujemne odchylenie, nieznana przyczyna błędu - usterka sporadyczna
proponuję elektrozawór poddać rozbiórce i czyszczeniu a jeśli nie pomoże to wymiana, przed wymianą można na próbę w jego miejsce podmienić miejscami N18 (ten od EGR) gdyż są identyczne.
Czyszczenie N75 w/g tej fotoporady :
http://forum.vwgolf.pl/viewtopic.php?t=67926&start=0"

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Jeżeli faktycznie jest uszkodzony to temu masz muła, kierownice nie ustawiają się poprawnie i turbina ładuje mniej powietrza.
Jeżeli chcesz to podjedź sobie do Bielska albo Krakowa do Compsportu, przeprowadzą diagnozę i będziesz wiedział dokładnie co i jak.
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