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17-06-2009, 06:54 | #1 |
ford::professional
Imię: Tomek
Zarejestrowany: 12-03-2004
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Brak mocy i kopci
Witajcie!
Uruchomiłem swoją galaktykę w końcu. 1.9 TDI AUY Tiptronic AG5 2002 rok. Samochodem się bardzo fajnie jeździe i wygodnie. Odczuwaj wszak jeden dyskomfort: Samochód jest słaby. Kopci. W garażu jak zapaliłem go to myślałem że "zejdę". Smród niesamowity, jakby przepalony olej. Na drodze muł bagienny. Domyślam się 2 rzeczy. Turbinka i wtryski. Powiedzcie mi jak mogę to zdiagnozować? Mam Vag-coma i Polskiego VAGA. Muszę się szybko z tym uporać bo za 2 tygodnie jadę na wczasy. To mój 12 samochód a pierwszy Diesel więc się mi nie dziwcie że się na klekocie nie znam. Ostatnio edytowane przez CERES ; 17-06-2009 o 07:08 |
17-06-2009, 08:35 | #2 |
ford::expert
Zarejestrowany: 04-11-2008
Skąd: Podlaskie
Model: S-max Titanium S 163KM (na razie)
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Rocznik: 2012
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Turbo Vagiem ciężko zdiagnozować,jakie masz objawy?Jak turbo padnięte to max ok.120km/h i wcale go nie słychać,wtryski na VAGu niby można podczas jazdy zbadać.A filtr paliwa i powietrza czysty?Ja nie zmieniałem paliwowego to był wolniejszy i głośniejszy,zmieniłem tylko jego i jak nowe autko!Sprawdź to najpierw,najtańszy koszt...pozdro i powodzenia
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17-06-2009, 10:28 | #3 |
ford::professional
Imię: Tomek
Zarejestrowany: 12-03-2004
Skąd: KWA
Model: VW Touareg MK I/Scorpio mk2 94 2.9
Silnik: 3.2b V6/2.9 EFI
Rocznik: 2004/1994
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Filtr powietrza czysty aż miło.
Chyba turbo nawala ale jak to sprawdzić ? |
17-06-2009, 11:13 | #4 |
ford::expert
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A filtr paliwa?On jest ważniejszy od filtra powietrza jeżeli chodzi o prace i osiągi silnika.Turbo najpierw na "słuch" i odczucia z jazdy.Tak jak pisałęm,jak nie słychać gwizdania u V-max jakies 120 to na bank turbina.
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17-06-2009, 11:21 | #5 |
ford::advanced
Imię: Janusz
Zarejestrowany: 27-04-2008
Skąd: Śląsk
Model: S-max
Silnik: 2.0 TDCI - 163KM
Rocznik: 2013
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Posprawdzaj połączenia od filtra powietrza -> turbosprężarka -> intercooler -> zawór egr.
Następnie podłącz vag-coma, co i jak pod tym linkiem [Tylko zarejestrowani użytkownicy widzą linki. ] sprawdź błędy [Fault Codes - 02], następnie wejdź w sterownik silnika 01 - Engine, następnie w pozycję [Meas Blocks - 08] i ustaw grupy 013, 023, 018. Napisz jakie masz pomiary. Te bloki pokażą trochę informacji o wtryskach. Turbina jak padną uszczelnienia całkowicie to możesz mieć problem z zgaszeniem autka. Ubywa oleju? Co miałeś robione z autkiem?
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17-06-2009, 11:36 | #6 |
ford::expert
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Tak jak kolega wyżeja napisał,sprawdź zawór EGR i szczelność intercoolera.
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17-06-2009, 12:51 | #7 |
ford::professional
Imię: Tomek
Zarejestrowany: 12-03-2004
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Model: VW Touareg MK I/Scorpio mk2 94 2.9
Silnik: 3.2b V6/2.9 EFI
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czy miałem coś robione ? jasne:
Wymieniłem silnik i skrzynie. Na tamtym silniku tez był słaby a osprzęt został. Samochód pali na dotyk. |
17-06-2009, 14:55 | #8 |
ford::specialist
Zarejestrowany: 08-10-2008
Skąd: pomorskie
Model: Sharan [MK2]
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Rocznik: 2000
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gdyby nie kopcenie to powiedziałbym przepływka.....
jak możesz z kimś się podmienić na przeplywkę.... na testy np od passat'a przepływki generalnie dużo się nie różnią od siebie podstawowa różnica to układ [kształt "sitek" grzałka... inaczej element grzejny jest ten sam.... ale to kopcenia....... podłącz VAG powinien pokazać jakieś błędy [vag błędów przepływki nie pokaże, chyba że odłączonej albo uszkodzonej- nie zużytej]
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18-06-2009, 20:10 | #9 |
ford::professional
Imię: Tomek
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W silniku dwa błędy:
- 17 964 - 18 057 Logi: Thursday,18,June,2009,21:02:04 038 906 019 FA,,1.9l R4 EDC 0001AG 1561, Marker,Group A:, Not Running,,,,Group B:,'023,,,,Group C:,'018 ,,,,,,,(no units),(no units),(no units),(no units),,Cyl 1,Cyl 2,Cyl 3,Cyl 4 ,TIME,,,,,TIME,,,,,TIME,0,0,0,0 Marker,STAMP,,,,,STAMP,,,,,STAMP,,,, ,,,,,,0.00,2.0,-2.0,11.0,34.0,0.43,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,0.85,1.0,-5.0,10.0,33.0,1.26,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,1.66,2.0,-6.0,12.0,29.0,2.06,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,2.46,1.0,-9.0,10.0,24.0,2.86,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,3.26,1.0,-8.0,9.0,28.0,3.66,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,4.06,4.0,-7.0,13.0,27.0,4.46,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,4.88,-2.0,-6.0,10.0,26.0,5.28,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,5.70,-3.0,-10.0,6.0,29.0,6.11,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,6.51,-3.0,-9.0,6.0,25.0,6.93,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,7.34,-2.0,-8.0,4.0,25.0,7.74,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,8.14,1.0,-9.0,9.0,30.0,8.54,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,8.94,1.0,-7.0,6.0,26.0,9.34,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,9.74,2.0,-4.0,9.0,31.0,10.14,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,10.54,2.0,-5.0,9.0,28.0,10.94,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,11.34,3.0,-5.0,8.0,29.0,11.74,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,12.14,2.0,-6.0,10.0,29.0,12.54,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,12.94,-1.0,-5.0,15.0,32.0,13.34,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,13.74,4.0,-2.0,15.0,32.0,14.14,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,14.54,2.0,-2.0,11.0,31.0,14.94,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,15.34,3.0,1.0,10.0,29.0,15.74,0.0,0.0,0.0,0. 0 ,,,,,,16.14,10.0,-2.0,17.0,38.0,16.56,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,16.97,14.0,3.0,19.0,31.0,17.37,4.0,4.0,4.0,4 .0 ,,,,,,17.79,4.0,-2.0,14.0,26.0,18.20,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,18.60,5.0,-1.0,9.0,28.0,19.00,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,19.41,2.0,-4.0,7.0,30.0,19.80,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,20.21,-2.0,-7.0,4.0,30.0,20.61,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,21.00,1.0,-7.0,8.0,30.0,21.42,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,21.82,0.0,-4.0,10.0,26.0,22.24,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,22.65,-1.0,-5.0,7.0,25.0,23.07,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,23.48,-1.0,-7.0,6.0,24.0,23.88,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 ,,,,,,24.28,-2.0,-6.0,7.0,24.0,24.68,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0 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19-06-2009, 10:18 | #10 |
ford::advanced
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Odp: Brak mocy i kopci
Jak dla mnie wtryski parametry mają w normie.
Odnośnie błędu 17 964 to opis zapożyczony z [Tylko zarejestrowani użytkownicy widzą linki. ] "17964 - elektrozawór N75, ujemne odchylenie, nieznana przyczyna błędu - usterka sporadyczna proponuję elektrozawór poddać rozbiórce i czyszczeniu a jeśli nie pomoże to wymiana, przed wymianą można na próbę w jego miejsce podmienić miejscami N18 (ten od EGR) gdyż są identyczne. Czyszczenie N75 w/g tej fotoporady : http://forum.vwgolf.pl/viewtopic.php?t=67926&start=0" [Tylko zarejestrowani użytkownicy widzą linki. ] Jeżeli faktycznie jest uszkodzony to temu masz muła, kierownice nie ustawiają się poprawnie i turbina ładuje mniej powietrza. Jeżeli chcesz to podjedź sobie do Bielska albo Krakowa do Compsportu, przeprowadzą diagnozę i będziesz wiedział dokładnie co i jak. [Tylko zarejestrowani użytkownicy widzą linki. ]
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